Saturday, January 11, 2014

The Captain Always Goes Down with His Ship, Unless You're Captain Obama

As if the American people needed any more evidence of blatant hypocrisy in Liberalmerica, many must be his fault.  Because as Liberals are apt to say, it's ultimately the leader's responsibility.
Liberals are placing the blame for the GW Bridge fiasco on Chris Christie.  Apparently, Christie's control over his minions should be so absolute that they cannot think for themselves, and therefore they should be unable to commit wrong-doing.  And so the logic goes, the wrong-doing

Unless that leader happens to be a Democrat.

Liberalmerica did the same thing when word got out about the horrific treatment of prisoners at Abu Ghraib.  As soon as those photos surfaced, Liberals were calling for George W. Bush's head as if he personally ordered the mistreatment of the prisoners.  When confronted with the notion that GWB's involvement was highly unlikely, Liberals replied "he's the president, so it's ultimately his fault."

The problem I have is that Liberals do not apply this captain-goes-down-with-his-ship mentality to leaders from their party, specifically President Obama.  It's more infuriating when you consider that there have been plenty of scandals that have come out of the Obama Administration.

The most prominent in my mind is the Secret Service scandal.  Why wasn't it Obama's fault?  (Hint: it's the same reason Abu Ghraib wasn't GWB's fault).  How about Operation Fast and Furious?  The Benghazi attack?  The NSA's blatantly illegal domestic spying programs?  Oh, well the NSA's malfeasance isn't nearly as bad as the Patriot Act (which was originally supported by Democrats as well as Republicans), despite the fact that Obama has called for the extension of the Patriot Act.  So, why won't Liberals blame Obama for these things?

"Well Jack, Obama clearly didn't know about any of these things."  That poses an interesting thought.  The general consensus in Liberalmerica was that George W. Bush was a nitwit.  He was constantly chided as being an imbicile puppet controlled by nefarious puppet masters like Dick Cheney and Karl Rove . . . until it came to a scandal.  Whenever something controversial came up, GWB went from being hopelessly idiotic in the eyes of his opponents to being a maniacal, evil mastermind who was plotting to destroy liberty and Muslims.

Now, with President Obama, the opposite seems to be true.  Liberalmerica hails him as intelligent, educated, and involved in the leadership process . . . until it comes to a scandal.  When a scandal hits, Obama goes from being a capable and aware leader to being some dunce, hopelessly ignorant to the nefarious misdeeds of, apparently, everyone else around him.  One would have to be delusional to not see the blatant hypocrisy in these attitudes.

So what does this teach us?  It is another example of how many Liberals are just as petty, hypocritical, and unintelligent as their Conservative counterparts.  I find it endlessly hilarious that Liberals claim to have some intellectual superiority over their Conservative opponents, but at the end of the day they're just as logically inconsistent as the next average American.

So if you're a Liberal and you truly believe that Chris Christie should suffer for the malfeasance of the idiots under him, then you also need to stop acting like Obama is the second coming of Christ and hold the President accountable for everything that has gone horribly wrong during his administration.  Otherwise, you need to stop acting like petulent children and realize that a man cannot control the actions of others, and thus hold those responsible for the malfeasance accountable for their actions.

Simple, right?

58 comments:

Jersey McJones said...

Well, you certainly have a fair point about Obama's supporters, though most liberals, as opposed to mainstream Dems, are not nearly as forgiving as you think. Most liberals never thought Obama was really one of us anyway, so that's part of it - the "what do you expect" part. And part of it is certainly cognitive dissonance.

The Christie critique has a little merit, but unless it's proven that he personally ordered or covered this up, the Left would be wise not to make a big stink of it, as it looks just as petty as the lane closures. The "culture of bullying" is not new to Christie's administration. New Jersey didn't get the political reputation it has out of thin air, after all.

You have a fair point. On the other hand, what are Dems to do? Vote GOP?

JMJ

Jack Camwell said...

"You have a fair point. On the other hand, what are Dems to do? Vote GOP?"

What does anyone do anymore? Do you think EITHER party is going to get America back on track? Maybe you have faith in the Dems, but I don't have faith in either party.

(And no, I would not urge Dems to vote GOP)

Micky said...

Hey Jack, we all know Rush made you print this.
Off with his head !

"Obama's supporters, though most liberals, as opposed to mainstream Dems, are not nearly as forgiving as you think"

Whatta bunch of crap Jersey.
Tell me the difference between mainstream dems and Obamas supporters.
How the hell do you come up with that difference ?
As if the majority of dems are not his supporters ?
Luv ya buddy, I've known you for a while, but I gotta ask you.
Has the last 5 years not removed you head from your ass in the slightest ?

Jersey McJones said...

I don't have "faith" in anything, Jack. I either know or I don't. And I know the Dems, at this point in our history, are a better option than the GOP.

JMJ

Micky said...

Jersey...

Sometimes you're funnier than a floater on the shore of Obamas Kailua Beach rental.
First of all, you're point is wrong in that you're pointing out the merits or lack of merits within the GOP when its actualy Conservatism that deserves more credibility and faith.
Especially since Liberalism, its bunch and its Messiah Mascot "Barry" has proven what an abject ultimate failure the whole ideology is and has given us.
If at this point you have more faith in the Democratic party or Liberals in general than right of center Christians have in a deity then you have absolutely no business calling them anything but sane.
Its time for a changing of the guards bro. You guys have fucked up just about everything you've touched and if allowed anymore power than the next three years allows the damage will be irreversible.

Joe Markowitz said...

Humans are basically wired for the kind of hypocrisy you are talking about. We might think that we use our brains to reach logical conclusions, but in fact we mostly use the logical part of our brain to rationalize the decisions that the emotional part of our brain has already made. So once you decide that you favor one political party, which itself is probably an emotional decision for the most part, just as once you decide to be a fan of a particular sports team, then you are going to use your frontal lobe to find ways to excuse and minimize the bad things that your team did, and you are going to exaggerate the good things. So I would be prepared to argue with you all day that Obama's so-called scandals are all trumped-up nothings, and I truly believe that, but you might have some justification for thinking that I am engaged in pure rationalization to support my guy when I do that.

And vice versa. For myself when I look at the misdeeds of conservatives. And for conservatives when they condemn Democrats for doing the same things that they would excuse Republicans for doing.

AHB said...

I will tell you what the fucking problem is; the problem is a fundamental incompatibility with what the people of this country expect, and what they actually get.

The people of this country expect their voice to be heard, for their vote to count and mean something. while you can ramble on a blog, or rant all day long on cspan, or whatever, at the end of the day you have no say, ultimately, because the sheeple overwhelm you. The sheeple who just voted obama in because he was half black, or voted him in because it said D or whatever the case is.

I agree that the GOP isn't the answer, they are a part of the same empire party, there is nothing conservative about anything they really push for. Before you say "same sex-marriage" or "abortion" a true conservative would defer to the constitution and realize "oh fux, no authority =("

Your dems and repubs both want the same thing, to stand in front of Castle Greyskull and let loose a "I HAVE THE POWERRRRRRRR!"

For every person who does actual research, and actually listens to these slimebags, there are 2 dozen others who just tick off D or R.

You need a license to drive, a permit to carry a gun, a test to operate a HAM radio... but the most awesome power we can possibly wield is just handed over without much of a thought to these fuckin jackals.

Micky said...

Hey Joe.
Obamas scandals are not just "trumped up".
They're a clear indication of incompetency we haven't seen since Carter. Further pointing to the fact that liberalism holds the highest propensity for failure and hypocrisy.
While I'll agree that the GOP isn't worth a squat I'll never agree that Conservatism and making pragmatic math based decisions is not an answer we need.

Jack Camwell said...

To be fair, Micky, Joe did admit to his own personal bias.

Micky said...

Yeah, sometimes I misconstrue.
I owe an apology as I read Joes and AHBs comment as one.
Joe and AHB still do seem to be edging on bashing the GOP while not understanding it doesn't represent Conservatism...as it should.

Five minutes before typing that I saw a 60 year old lady with two year old boobs, I'm confused for little while.

AHB said...

Micky... I don't know what to make of your claim mang.

" AHB still do seem to be edging on bashing the GOP while not understanding it doesn't represent Conservatism... as it should."

I am bashing them because the grand ol party should be conservative, but they are not in the least. we seem to agree on that yet you don't sound like you agree that you agree.

Like I told Jackie, 2 out of 150,000,000 isn't really a choice. This isn't Fatboy Slim "You can go with this or you can go with that" this is straight up "You can go with big government or you can go get bent"

If we want some god damn results we are going to have to do it ourselves. So much is made about each side giving in to the others demands, but standing back objectively it's all trending toward totalitarianism, so what is the big debate and the big sacrifice? The people in the government are gaining more dominion over our lives, as only they can decide.

Micky said...

Her AHB, let me spell it out...


"I agree that the GOP isn't the answer, they are a part of the same empire party, there is nothing conservative about anything they really push for. "


You shouldnt, or cant, say "the "GOP" AND " Conservative " in a context as if they're one in the same.
You must differentiate from the git go which tribe you're actually talking of.
I have full faith in the Conservative Party, but not the GOP which claims to be Conservative.
And no...it snot a total loss, there are still many within the GOP who are true to Conservative roots.
Once we adapt the mentality that a party is totally corrupt because not all follow in allegiance, lockstep, were no better that the present democratic party, that votes D, regardless of their blatant hypocrisy.
I'm glad for the Conservative, Social Conservative, Fiscal Conservative and Libertarian fighting within the right.
Its a helluva lot more healthy and constructive than the mindless devotion we see from the Borg like collective left.
This country was founded on Conservative principles and belief and whatever "social" and "humanitarian" concepts lay within our Constitution are not to be confused with todays entitlements and welfare facilitated only for votes/politics.
Compassion and care is not exclusive to the left but not establishing ethics in life and work is.

AHB said...

Micky...

I trust that the fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a hair you are splitting is worth it.

When you say there are conservative roots, who exactly are you talking about on the federal level? I can think of 4 maybe 5 representatives and only 1 senator.

When it comes to local people... hell yes you have a ton of conservatives because their policies are not funded by a cheat code.

Micky said...

Nah, sorry bub, you get to set the narrative by setting it at only the GOP at a federal level when I clearly stated I was referring to the Conservative party holding many members at all levels who still hold Conservative principles.
I clearly stated no faith in the GOP.
All is not lost as you kinda made my point with your last sentence.
If anything is going to help the people in this country define their own ideology it will be the clear failure Liberalism has been seen as in the last 5 years.
Sadly, it will not be the merits of Conservatism that brings folks closer to it, but instead the shrinking facade of Liberalism that allows Conservative values to be seen.
But, it does get confusing, at least for me, when we hear by many polls that we are mostly a Conservative nation.
The only reason I can think of behind that warped information is that those who identify as Conservative don't actually know true Conservatism.

Micky said...

correction

Nah, sorry bub, you "DON'T" get to set the narrative ...

AHB said...

Bub,

I thought about not responding, because you are one of the following:

1. Trolling
2. Trolling.
3. Arguing with yourself.

At no point did I ever label the GOP conservative, in fact I said the exact opposite.

You are also missing the point by a light-year.

I will rephrase the point again:

No matter which way you vote on the federal side of things, there is only one party, the Empire Party.

You want to call people conservative, fine. Where are they represented outside 4 maybe 5 house members, and 1 senator?

Jack Camwell said...

Micky, I'm really struggling to understand how you are not seeing that AHB has been agreeing with you literally the entire time.

I'm unsure why you keep giving him all this hostility.

Micky said...

Jersey, AHB...

AHB is confusing the GOP with Conservative America and the Conservative party.

Read his shit before called a legit response "trolling'.

What hostility ?
Calling him "bub" ?
Shit, here we go again with the liberal hypersensitivity, most ironically coming from the biggest name caller of all, Jersey.

Jersey states he at this point has more faith in the Dems than the GOP.
This conflicted inaccurate statement is right in line and parallel with AHBs statement that the GOP promises us nothing when the real truth is that its Conservatism and not the GOP "ELITE ESTABLISHMENT" that gives us promise and something to have more faith.
Please try to keep with the context I'm drawing of AHB and you Jersey, muddling the conversation by not defining or separating the differences between The Conservative Party on a federal level, The GOP and the real Conservative Party lying within our civilian population, the leaders of states and municipalities, Democrats, The DNC, and the far left progressive Liberal lunatics you Mr. McJones think are the core base of the "Democrats" you have so much faith in.
There is a huge difference between all these groups which you must exemplify in your statements in order to make sense.

Got it ?

"You want to call people conservative, fine. Where are they represented outside 4 maybe 5 house members, and 1 senator?"

Any idjut knows these morons boast Conservative values on the campaign trail and then swing left once in office.
Our House and Senate hardly represent percentages in the general public.
By your logic only 6 out of a few hundred in America are Conservative because you only see 6 true Cons in Congress.

Micky said...

"No matter which way you vote on the federal side of things, there is only one party, the Empire Party."

This is patently false.
Though the parties may not be pure they are hardly one in the same.
Also, you keep using the GOP on federal level as the standard as somehow being the only thing thats holding us back. In light of the Conservatives within States, cities and municipalities the federal level could find itself having to answer to a large majority of Conservative leaders who've not yet progressed to and been poisoned by GOP elite establishment on the hill.
There is a very quite silent Conservative majority out there that will rise in the face of the destruction weve seen and the crony rino fuckers on the hill wont be able to a thing about it.
Its happened before right when guys like Jersey put their faith in an already dead horse and when Conservatives and Democrats said the (true)Republican Party was soon going to be irrelevant.
We see evidence of it now as the GOP has some serious infighting going on to re-establish the true meaning of Conservatism.
With that said there's no shortage of the Conservationism needed in this country to get back to some semblance of security regardless of Jerseys euphoric crap or AHBs vision of a "totalitarian party with no lines blurred".
Sorry guys, but I've got a little more faith in the American people, don't think they're as stupid and gullible as ya'll wish or think.
There are a considerable amount of viable true Conservative votes and voices that will eventually, sooner than later, come to see and act upon fixing this mess created by progressive-ism oozed its way into the mainstream political machine occupied by the R n D tags.
And its anything but Research and Development.
If I do agree with AHB its on his/her point that most people pulling the D or R lever are voting for the same thing. But its not an Empire as much as it is those pulling the levers who truly have no idea what D or R stands for.
Democrats and the ideology closest to its founding are nothing like the Socialist quasi Communist batch we see today.
The Dem Party used to be the party that won WW2, nuked the living shit out of suicide bombers and respected 2+2=4.
The GOP used to be the party that stood behind there Conservative campaign promises instead of using the faith instilled after election by those promises to usher in more votes by way of Liberal bribery at tax payers cost.

AHB said...

*Shakes Cobwebs*

I am going to go respond as if you have no clue what you are talking about.

I don't recall saying anything about *Conservatives* other than the GOP not being conservative. Which we agree on? but not really? or what?

I never said boo shit about how many true conservatives are amongst the people! I said the true conservatives are not amongst the GOP!

My statements make sense, it's your statements that are circular and attributed to the wrong people.

Grand Old Party = Republican Party

They are one of two supposedly distinctive political ideologies which remains relevant in America.

When you talk about the Republican Party, you should be talking about the people who don't want big government influence, who want to limit our foreign exposure, are slow to transform social tendencies into law, and who seek to balance the old views with the new views.

Instead the Grand Old Party now is completely indistinguishable from the Democratic Party.

The Democratic party seeks to expand the role of government, make widespread blanket policies that "benefit" everyone equally, to spend the majority of our tax dollars on large government programs in an attempt to distribute "resources" as evenly as possible.

Republicans should in theory represent an early 1800's American Political Philosophy.

When programs like the TSA, The Patriot Act, the NDAA go ahead with the GOP's blessing, it is safe to say the party has lost their way and they have went the way of big brother.

When they invade a country under false pretense, it is safe to say they have lost their way.

The only discernible difference between the Republicans and the Democrats federally is which megacorp is holding their leash. Period. It's all about more money. More money for dem's shit means less money for the repub's shit. A serious conversation of let's stop spending money NEVER HAPPENS. NEVER. N-E-V-E-R.

Republicans version of "cuts" are just reductions of future spending increases. There are no cuts, no serious debates about cuts, no serious debate about jack shit other than "what fucking big government turd can we brew up today kids" and be sure to put on a drama for the public, we have to make this fiction look good.

That's the Empire Party.

Micky said...

I dont dare ask off of what.


"I am going to go respond as if you have no clue what you are talking about."

You dear sir are about as clueless and one dimensional as they come.
And here is how...

"I don't recall saying anything about *Conservatives* other than the GOP not being conservative. Which we agree on? but not really? or what?"

Wrong.
The GOP is Conservative, just not as Conservative as it need be.
The GOP extends far beyond the jerks in Congress which say holds only 4-5 Conservatives.
Its a disingenuous statement as there's plenty of Conservative powers effecting national policy outside of the Hill.
Governors, Mayors and many other true Conservative powers have influence outside the 4-5-6 jerks you think only exist or matter.

"I never said boo shit about how many true conservatives are amongst the people!"

Thats the fucking point Einstein !
You should of said "boo shit' about the people because your narrow context of just the 6 Conservatives being on the hill is a convenient context for a one dimensional thinker trying to make a statement no better than libs right after the election saying "Conservatism is extinct" and reflects your inability to grasp the fact that theres Conservatism in this country that matters and is viable, much more viable than the 6 schmucks you think only exist.
There is a group on the Hill that is very indistinguishable from each other in some ways but when you've got infighting in the GOP over whats a true Conservative its not the pure Empire you're trying to bullshit everyone into believing.
If you want to think its over and the "Empire" has conquered America go right fucking ahead but dont expect me to follow your piccolo and dance to that bullshit as I believe were headed for better more Conservative leadership because there is Conservatism within enough ranks to get us past yours and Obamas shit.

"When you talk about the Republican Party, you should be talking about the people who don't want big government influence, who want to limit our foreign exposure, are slow to transform social tendencies into law, and who seek to balance the old views with the new views."

This is where your purist bullshit mentality gets you lookin sheltered ignorant.
Wrong, assuming you're assuming those in the Republican Party are Conservative you fail to understand that your doctrine of Conservatism is not applicable under a tent where theres actually way more than the one kind of Con you depict.
First...
Govt influence happens at any ideology.
The term "big govt" is subjective.
A very good many "Hawkish Neoconservatives" do not agree with your foreign policy as many Social or PaleoConservatives have different views on size and impact of government.
Sure, if Conservatism had to live up to your doctrine, there might in fact only be 4-5-6 of them as you think.

Micky said...

"Instead the Grand Old Party now is completely indistinguishable from the Democratic Party."


Like I said, yes, theres too much in common.
But "completely indistinguishable" is a term that's patently false when you yourself said there's 4-5-6 true cons still on the hill.
You yourself made the distinguishable difference.
Now, make up your fucking mind.



"When programs like the TSA, The Patriot Act, the NDAA go ahead with the GOP's blessing, it is safe to say the party has lost their way and they have went the way of big brother. "

This is very debatable when in comparison to todsays left which is far more intrusive in far more many ways.
Not only have they intruded to the point of a Nanny state via environmentalism/regulation up the ass/taxation/Barrycare and a host of other shit they've also adopted all the right wing hawk policies they bashed before gaining power.

"The only discernible difference between the Republicans and the Democrats federally is which megacorp is holding their leash. Period. It's all about more money. More money for dem's shit means less money for the repub's shit. A serious conversation of let's stop spending money NEVER HAPPENS. NEVER. N-E-V-E-R."

Yes it does.
Making it happen is a different story.

"Republicans version of "cuts" are just reductions of future spending increases. "

Actually that method is more a Liberal forte`

Republicans recently have been called all kinds of names for wanting to cut spending on entitlements ASAP.

You need to grasp a more rounded and detailed view of things buddy.
Your applied concepts make a fluid conversation impossible.
It snot as doom n gloom n black n white as you see it.

AHB said...

I can readily see how it is you and McJive are friends, you can't even match the names of people to their correct comments.

First you mistakenly start arguing with me(because of old lady tits, or something), then you split a decimated hair, and proceed to "dictate the narrative" to me in a manner that is practically strawman.

We are two ships running parallel to each other in broad daylight. I can see you, and am frantically rallying my crew to make you and your crew notice the huge volley of torpedoes heading for us. You see us too, but you think me and my crew are just re-enacting thriller on the weatherdeck.

You haven't provided a argument that you immediately didn't juxtapose in some fashion. Just look at this:

Me: I agree that the GOP isn't the answer, they are a part of the same empire party, there is nothing conservative about anything they really push for.

You:Joe and AHB still do seem to be edging on bashing the GOP while not understanding it doesn't represent Conservatism...as it should.

then we somehow jump to this:

Me:I am bashing them because the grand ol party should be conservative, but they are not in the least. we seem to agree on that yet you don't sound like you agree that you agree.

You:You shouldnt, or cant, say "the "GOP" AND " Conservative " in a context as if they're one in the same.
You must differentiate from the git go which tribe you're actually talking of.
I have full faith in the Conservative Party, but not the GOP which claims to be Conservative.


do you not see how we said nearly verbatim the exact same sentiments! Now here comes the puzzler! Pay Attention!

JACK CAMWELL, AKA CHRISTIAN-FEARING GOD MAN, AKA JACKIE, AKA not Jersey:

Micky, I'm really struggling to understand how you are not seeing that AHB has been agreeing with you literally the entire time.


You: AHB is confusing the GOP with Conservative America and the Conservative party.

Really?

Micky said...

No bub, you dictated, st the narrative to make your self serving but irrelevant argument that were screwed as a nation because everyones an idiot pulling levers just for Ds and Rs while saying theres only six real Cons on the hill while still ignoring the fact of a large silent Conservative majority both in civilians and offices outside the Federal landscape.
I'm on record confessing at least one fault while you're on record admitting nothing but that you have some purist vision of what constitutes a Conservative and what doesnt.
There are more Cons out there than you think. They're just not your brand, so you cant see them.
Which is why you think were more fucked than I do


"Really ?"

Yes.

Jack Camwell said...

Isn't it funny how the "silent" majority always says whatever you want it to say?

AHB said...

Mick,

Tired of being nice about it. You are either grossly over medicated, plain trolling, or genuinely acting retarded.

To what end I have no idea.

Your whole little beef with me started over me supposedly "confusing conservatism with the GOP"

I suppose me saying that the GOP is not conservative led you to that conclusion.

KP said...

Happy New Year, Jack. I enjoyed the article. Mickey and AHB are gamers! Both correct. Nothing solved. But fun. Keep it rollin' ...

Jack Camwell said...

Happy New Year to you KP! It's nice to see you back, and I'm glad you enjoyed my article!

Micky said...

"Isn't it funny how the "silent" majority always says whatever you want it to say?"

Its also funny how they've won elections when least expected.
Some of us just dont see the worth in bitching and moaning and groaning about potential failures attributed to a select few assholes in the syatem.
AHB is no different that liberals in a SF protest march with pink spandex up their crack saying the Conservative party became obsolete after the arrival of their Messiah.
I simply have better hope based on the peoples ability to acknowledge failure as by cycles has always proven.
Yes, the ugly truth is that there is never any perfect candidate and the party never represents its given ideals and platform totally.
We without any intelligent argument always vote for the lesser of evils.
But dammit,whats on the right , right now, as limited as it may be, is a far better alternative to the absolute abject failure we've seen in the last 6 years.
Seems to be by AHBs logic an anarchistic toss of everyone other than a few 6 that meet his purist demands are the only solution.

"Your whole little beef with me started over me supposedly "confusing conservatism with the GOP"

Thats right.
If you understood Conservatism as not being a strict doctrine as is disingenuously constantly reported you'd have more faith in the process of minds that are not left of enter that will usher in an administration that can give wasy to educating the folks that Conservatism is not just based on the standard of old fat white haired white guys who listen to nothing but Lawrence Welk, have scheduled sex and take the Bible verbatim.
We are actually a very diverse complex demographic that harbors far more complex and socially constructive and tolerant ideas to the countries success than narrow minded tunnel vision people like you could dream of holding.
Not until guys like you wise up and realize that the right is as diverse and can be as diverse in factions as the left has always been since the 60s you are the kind of voice that makes us look like strict missionary position only fuckers.
You're not helping.

Micky said...

AHB;
"Tired of being nice about it. You are either grossly over medicated, plain trolling, or genuinely acting retarded."

Actually, maybe not intentionally, your demeanor was not nice from the git-go.
I have not been over medicated in 15 years. Been clean n sober since 1997, sponsor at least 5 drunks and junkies at one time,over 50 in the last decade, and am a huge proponent for the legalization of marijuana and government/private/religious sector subsidization of treatment/education for those afflicted with a clinical disease that costs this country upwards of a trillion dollars every three years.
Subjective minds like yours might say I'm not a conservative because of this stance.
Most people confuse me with me with liberals because I hold positions which the public has been conditioned to believe are that of a Liberal "victim catering" screed.
This is where everyone screws themselves and the public by buying into this shit.
Most people think that anyone who caters to those who are supposedly "victims" of something or anything of a social nature \must be a Liberal.
Social is not a bad word.
But, my clients, my sponsees, are guided to understand that they need to be individuals and accept responsibility for the shortcomings in their lives as a result of them opting for the victim card.
Yeah, a good many of us had screwed up parents, didnt get our cherry popped by the right girl, got fucked over at some time in our life, felt our dick was too long.
The bottom line for most of us was a failure to accept the responsibility that we were so fucking selfish that the real reason behind our spiral was that "WE JUST LIKED GETTING HIGH".
I have a great success record with my sponsees because its made to understand from the beginning that its all about them and taking responsibility and not about the victim card.
Self empowerment, the individual and understanding a value that exists within more than just our Congress or Government reps display.
Long story short...its good ole Conservative principles that get my drunks and junkies sober, that give my neighbors little league team they're victories, that gives our kids a work ethic beyond "a PC trophy for everyone" bullshit.
We'll be just fine AHB as long as we don't believe out fate depends on those you think hold the cards.
Seeing me in public, 57 years old, dread locks down to my ass,, lots of turquoise and silver, soft spot for those the cronies Conservatives say are garbage to society, recycles but not because of Gerbil Warming, loves most music but hates the artists...

I'm still very much you're Ted Nugent kinda guy who doesnt buy into your shit that the country is not represented by Conservatives and if so, only the few assholes you credit.

Micky said...

oops..They're, there, their...

my nemississississ

AHB said...

Micky! I think I learned your language!

The conservatives are the only hope for our solar system and you think the democrats have all the answers well thats just fine i guess if you don't like dragons. when ronnie r. comes back from his comet visit we are going to thaw him out and he is going to lead us to a new era of cold as ice conservative 'tics, with your liberal voting engine. George Bush jr. will do a fusion dance with Newt Gingrich and turn into the ultimate warrior of liberal dogma! How can you say liberal ideals and spending money are the answer when clearly we cannot sustain the system. I don't understand the mindset of spending money like we have infinite numbers, and you do apparently. I don't know why you would say obama is an amazing leader, and we should make him president for life. has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

Micky said...

Democrats have all the answers ?

Just how far up your ass did you have to reach for that line of bullshit that totally diverts from my argument that you're a narrow minded tunnel visioned right winged purist who thinks there's only a few cons that stand for the party and its most essential moral and ethical foundation ?
You cant keep up so you make shit up ?

"
"How can you say liberal ideals and spending money are the answer when clearly we cannot sustain the system."

You're not listening.
I mentioned a variation of means that rely mostly on individual voluntary acts...the church, private sector, individual altruism and the govt.
The Govt. is mentioned only with the idea in mind that the war on drugs (a huge failure on the part of the Conservative God Reagan)is a highly useless and failed endeavor costing us billions and getting nowhere, whereas we could instead spend a fraction of that cost on treatment and preventive/educational measures.
Also, inmates who deserve their sentence need to be put to fucking work so's we can get rid of all these useless fucks in orange vests on the highway getting paid 30 bucks an hour to pick their noses
If were going to spend taxpayers money on this shit at least make it count.
What I'm suggesting is by no means a liberal philosophy/fix but instead a very fiscally conservative approach to one of our country's biggest problems.
But morons like you dragged out of the sixties with the same Nancy Reagan "just say no" mentality fail to see this problem past the brainwashing of the right that dictates "those who are addicted are just useless shits needing to be locked up."

Which is costing us an arm and a leg.

You're no match bro, dont even try top hit my level with your clumsy and asinine mockery of what you think my world and thought process are like.
You're a one dimensional thinker, a simpleton, you play checkers with only men of your choice..I play three dimensional chess with understanding the complex society America is while also understanding there are people like you who spout nonsense that dictates the country will crash unless we get in line with the 6 assholes in Congress that you worship.
You're not doing the Conservative movement this country needs any favors.
You only prolong the image of the stuffed shirt corporate whitey devout Christian Republican who wants all time to stand still so the Earth doesnt age past its 6000 years.
Too many folks have been inadvertently sold on the idea by guys/ladies like you that Conservatives hate all progress and want the return of the days of Draconian rule originating a gang of Freemasons.
Freedom is an inherent human need and want that Americans regardless of "ideologically learned behavior" come to realizing this need only when the shit hits the fan. And at that point of realization dont need any politician to define or secure that most basic need for us.
As much as the government is failing us, as much as liberalism has destroyed whats left, I believe that this countrys people will, after all the destruction, rise to see the errors of our ways letting common sense Conservative principles return to give us some semblance of viable sane society.

Conservatism has always been the default in bringing any country victim to collapse back to sanity.
Those that fail to use this philosophy and insist on returning to socialist dictative and theocratic rule are the failures we've seen over the decades because they've never even had the slightest taste of a free capitalist society.
Americans have been fortunate enough to have this experience many times before.
But sadly, we will have to lose what we've got before we realize its missing.

AHB said...

I find it amazing how you keep mentioning that obama is the greatest president of all times, clearly you do not understand how many progressives are just bursting at the seams to save this country. As for your compliment to me that I am far above you in cognitive function, I appreciate it. The merry-go-around of the federal reserve is our salvation, as you so eloquently added, so I guess technically, maybe, you get it, I don't know anymore. When you say "Dragons" what you really mean are "Kittens" so yes I can relate but you believe that the majority of Ewoks that march on the black gates of Mordor will somehow stop the dark lord Voldemort from destroying Narnia... which I can't fathom. In reality it is The wookies that will march on Helms Deep that will stop Harry Potter from Crowning the Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe! Unreal that you can't see the hypocrisy of your own truth. I enjoy books about whales although there are only a couple of them, but beyond that you are saying that the government is a liberal paradise and that the only way forward is big brother which I don't agree with at all. Spend more money is the only answer you claim? why should we spend more money? Why not spend the money on more money? If we can keep the numbers floating around we can save this country by uniting the tribes of Aiur into a single archon!

Micky said...

AHB, sorry to lose what decorum is left in me...

...but are you some kinda meth heads baby who got dropped on its head before you were born ?
Seriously, where do you get your shit from ?

You cant win an argument based on your purist invention of what a real Conservative is so now you're trying to make some liberal fucking moonbat ?

You've lost it, you cant hang with me, you're a one dimensional thinker of the most debilitating constructs that allow no abstract concepts outside the strict "scheduled sex starched undderwear" Conservative that you are...(which really doesnt make you a Conservative)

The Conservative is the one who actually has the free-er mind.

You're not that guy bub.

Jack Camwell said...

I'm sorry Micky, but you completely missed the point.

From the get-go, you and AHB have been saying the exact same thing: that the GOP does not represent true Conservativism.

Somewhere along the line, you grossly misinterpreted what AHB had been saying, and you stated that he was making certain claims that he, at no point, actually made.

So, that's what he started doing. He started stating wild ass claims that you didn't make--and he did it to make a point.

Since you continued to argue against claims that he didn't even make, and since you completely missed the point of what he was doing, it would appear that you cannot hang with him.

Sorry =(

AHB said...

Micky!

When you wish upon a straw man, an angel gets their wings? What does that even mean? So... you are legalizing Crystal Light and banning all forms of tomato pasta sauce. Our bad Ragu... guess you can't close escrow. Again, no need to keep complimenting my mental superiority. Exactly how many days we got lastin' while you laughin' we passin'Passin' away God rest our souls cause I know I might meet you up at the crossroads. Baldurs Gate is not in middle earth, but Sarevok is still dead all the same, on this we agree. It takes a special person to admit they don't like books with whales, but I suppose we can't all be Ghost Recon. Guns must go off all by them damn selves I suppose, per you. Starfox might like to eat mice? ever consider that one? Of course you didn't, you are just a cheerleader for Uncle Barry and as long as he is in the whitehouse you can snuggle up to your bear and like... spoon. Asus Monitors are really made by Acer, and Logitech is called Logicool in Japan, fair enough right? Then how come prego gets a pass from your tomato pasta sauce ban? Just because the government wants to monopolize the pasta sauce market doesn't mean that someone like Ragu won't throw down with some kick ass alfredo-meat-bacon hybrid and rock your government sauce back into the ranks of hostess. So what you claim that harvesting asteroids from death valley is the way to get to china? That's real "9 dimensional thinking" and while I commend your allegiance with Dianetics and Ron Hubbard, I doubt seriously that you can make good on the claim to the throne of Gondor. Tell me what you gonna do when there aint no where to run, when judgement comes for you when judgement comes for you and there aint no where to hide? So you are still on about this federal reserve being "Dragons" I see. You have confused "Kittens" with dragons in the past, so that is to be expected. I miss my uncle charles, ya'll.

Micky said...

Jack...AHB is a purist who hangs the country's fate upon his narrow minded rendition of what are Conservatives.

His Arguments are flawed, as usual, based upon his latest droppings which are obtusely narrated to the exact opposite of the confessed Conservative I am.
Hes just a simple minded jerk claiming to be an authority on Conservatism without the nearest comprehension of the fact that Conservatives are for more dynamic creatures than he can fathom.

No, you're wrong Jack, read the thread, and examine from the git go, what this man does to solidify his preconceived notions of what is and is not Conservatism.
He clearly dictates that he believes there are only 5-6 "true" Conservatives within Congress that we can hang our hat on.
And then argues that the "True Conservatives" I speak of within out municipalities, smaller communities, "the silent majority" are not there...or to be laughed upon.
His last post explains it best.
He thinks because he can ramble off some totally in-obscure abstract incomprehensible and surrealistic bullshit "waxing stupid 'no dots connecting' poetic" hes somehow connecting with me or making some example.
Hes pretending to be Timothy Leary pretending to connect to what he thinks is a Moony
He lost the war of minds.
Hes not a complex thinker.
And does not see the strategy needed on the right needed to tie together those on the right with varying but still basic Conservative principles...

Seriously, according to his last post its clear I made him snap.
Mostly every word of it has nothing to do with my stances for Conservatism, individuality, and a free capitalist market.

The problem is, purist like him will call me a liberal/progressive (in some sense) because I dont favor 100% absence of any regulation.

And why would a man of supposed Conservative nature end his post with him "missing his Uncle Charles" ?

AHB said...

Micky,

I attempted a rational response to you several times, and each time I got more strawman from you. So was am fabricating your side of the conversation because that is precisely what you did with me.

You can think whatever you want about me, that I am weak willed, or feeble-minded, doesn't matter to me. Anyone with a 5th grade level reading comprehension should have been able to follow me perfectly until I played your game.

Fact is, you made wild leaps and inserted whatever you thought I said and argued with me based upon your own assumptions.

So for the last time, answer these 2 questions, don't accuse, don't assume, just answer, and maybe we can salvage something constructive:

What the practical use of being conservative when the "conservative" side of federal politics (The GOP) is being led by leaders whom clearly are NOT conservative? They control the party at it's highest level, which means they control who it is we vote for under those big time republican tickets.

If we cannot get representatives in federal office who are actual conservatives, then what separates the GOP from Dems?

Micky said...

Per your comment #7

"I agree that the GOP isn't the answer, they are a part of the same empire party, there is nothing conservative about anything they really push for."

No...

there is no "Empire Party".

And by honest fact among honest men who understand Conservatism, there are plenty of Conservative attributes among many individuals who hang their hat under the "right" tent.
But your ignorant purist ass thinks there's only 5-6 guys in Congress who speak true Conservatism.
Memes/Posts/quotes like yours are posted at Liberal blogs n sites to give foundation to the Liberal firing points trying so hard to paint those of us on the right as a bunch of guys who score pussy with a bat and a cave and a Bible worn at the edges.
Do all us people who are not of the constrictive mentality like yours a favor ...and shut the fuck up.
Its clear from your last numerous posts that you have not the slightest idea what Conservatism actually means and have gone off into some surrealistic ridiculous rant at hopes you look like you can even fathom an intelligent response (or bond)to me.


"So for the last time, answer these 2 questions, don't accuse, don't assume, just answer, and maybe we can salvage something constructive:"

Okay...

You asked;
"What(is) the practical use of being conservative when the "conservative" side of federal politics (The GOP) is being led by leaders whom clearly are NOT conservative?"

You're a fuckin piece of work.
You want answers based on subjectivity like "practical".
I'll tell you what, you disingenuous sack...

there's tons of practicality in forwarding Conservatism regardless of who on the hill(the feds) speaks for us !
In essence, what you're saying is, 'why waste our time since theres not enough "(what you perceive to be Conservatives) on the hill ?

Do I got it right ?
You dont get to narrow and dictate the parameters of the Conversation with all your subjective bullshit "practicality" and "the federal side".. because guess what ?
As I've been trying to drum into your thick skull, your fabricated subjectivity is not what its all about !


"If we cannot get representatives in federal office who are actual conservatives, then what separates the GOP from Dems?"

This question is based on what you or I think is a Conservative.
I am not trying to split hairs and be an asshole but you're not leaving too much choice here bub.
Again...once you realize that Conservatives are not the die cast morons you're lead to believe they are you wouldn't be asking such stupid questions.
If you cant see the difference and what separates the two...thats why you're asking for it.


"which means they control who it is we vote for under those big time republican tickets."

If you were the slightest bit informed, past your dogmatism... you wouldnt have that problem.

Speak for yourself...I am not the "WE".

Jack Camwell said...

Micky,

I'm going to break it down to you since you seem to miss AHB's point entirely.

The problem seems to be that you believe that many Republicans are actually conservative. That might be true, but the real issue at hand is that the true conservatives are NOT in charge of the party.

A true conservative actually believes that the government should stay out of matters of personal choice. Most Republicans oppose gay marriage, they oppose pro-choice, and they oppose a whole load of shit that the government has no business regulating.

If being conservative means that you support minimal government involvement, then you can't be pro-choice or anti-gay marriage.

Those are just two issues. I'd rather not talk about economics.

If you disagree with what we think a conservative is/should be, then that is a different discussion. You can't tell AHB that he is wrong when he says there are only a few true conservatives in congress, and then chastise his notion of what a true conservative is, without even explaining what you consider to be a conservative.

The whole argument is even more ridiculous considering you actually said the same fucking thing he said--that there aren't enough true conservatives in congress.

This could have been a rational discussion if you had avoided all of the ad hominem. You really pulled a Jersey on that one. As for AHB's nonsensical responses: those were purposely nonsensical. You got duped.

As for how I feel on the issue, the Republican party is irredeemable. It's full of a bunch of asshat religious conservatives who can't handle the notion of freedom of choice. The problem with the Republican party is that they try to legislate their personal, christian morality.

In that respect, they're not much different than the Democrats as they try to legislate their personal morality as well.

Both parties seek to destroy choice, and they just want us all to be dependent on them whether it's for a welfare check or moral guidance. So whatever. Go ahead and try to call for reforms in the GOP and see how far that goes.

Probably as far as John McCain got. (Censure)

Micky said...

"The problem seems to be that you believe that many Republicans are actually conservative. "

Wrong. nice try.

I simply am making the case that if AH understood that Conservatives not all fall under his purist vision he'd find more of them.
I'm not some asswipe schmuck who doesnt understand that not all who fly under the "R" are Conservative.

"The whole argument is even more ridiculous considering you actually said the same fucking thing he said--that there aren't enough true conservatives in congress."

Once again "Gentlemen "... pull your ever loving heads out of your collective asses...

Whats "in Congress" does nor represent the Conservative majority in this country.

AH wants to contain his argument to the "federal level", "the congressional level".
But he, and maybe you Jack, dont seem to appreciate that the doom and gloom AH predicts upon the real Conservatives in this country do not exist within the narrow minded expose he delivered existing of the few he thinks exist.

"In that respect, they're not much different than the Democrats as they try to legislate their personal morality as well."

So that puts you where ?
Not propelling your own sense of morality ?
WTF are we supposed to do Jack ?
Just sit by and let morality go undefined ? Totally subjective ?
So please, spare this 60s mentality that all government is bad because they're all schmucks of the same tune. I've heard it before, its boooooooooring.
Its a red herring, a false argument based on the "LIBERAL" "VICTIM" playbook.
"I" am not this victim of this shit you and AH are trying to convince me of.
"I" believe, and within myself, a fairly knowledgeable man, that our future is going to be better than you or AH think because theres more "people" who are Conservative enough... more than you two think... outside of "the fed" or "Congress".

You seem like a fair weather fringe Jack.

You claim to be some free thinker.
But actually you're trapped in some idealistic bullshit that its wrong to chose the lesser of two evils.
No Dem or Rep will ever be true to its intent by way of ideology.
But fuck me to tears if we havent seen what the antithesis to Conservatism "liberalism" "progressiveness" has done to this country in 6 short years as opposed to the last 50.
Its about time those who hold the better choice of the better standard start calling the shots.
We will always be faced with choices between evils, thats fucking life.
But we cant just sit back and say "both parties are fucked, so fuck it".
And then upon that not take responsibility for the anarchy we bring.
AH... go ahead, abandon the right.
Jack, go ahead, be a fair weather friend.
But my vote is going to the right for the simple fact that most of the shit thats happened to us was told to us by the right "IT WOULD HAPPEN"...and did.

I'm not a big church fan, believe in a lot of things that most think makes me a liberal.
But it all comes down to the dollar.
And the left is by far to be less trusted with a dollar.Period.
End of fucking story.

Micky said...

"So whatever. Go ahead and try to call for reforms in the GOP and see how far that goes.

Probably as far as John McCain got. (Censure)"


Soooo... you'll settle for another Obama ?


I guess I should just wither away huh ?
Yeah, I call for reforms. But unlike AH I wont hang it all on Congress or at the Federal level.
I'll be able to see more Cons than him because I'm not ideologically bigoted.

I mean seriously, if guys like you and AH think its all so pointless and the field is all the same why the fuck are you saying anything ?

AHB said...

Micky,

I still have no clue what it is you *think* I said other than perhaps MAYBE you got it mixed up that I was upset at the conservatives.

I am not upset at the conservatives, they see the problem, they see where the road ends.

However, like you and I agree the Republican Party is not conservative. The truth of the matter that you fail to grasp is all roads lead through the GOP. When is the last time a president won an election who WASN'T on the republican or democrat ticket. For that matter any senators? You do have a handful of house reps who have been elected, and that stands to reason as they should be the "voice" for the people.

You are the one pigeonholing ME with your non-sense. You are twisting my words like a pretzel factory and presenting it in a way that is almost 180 degrees out from what I actually said.

When Ron Paul ran for president, the party stonewalled him at every turn.

As for my "narrow view of what a conservative is" well lets examine what you would be if you didn't fall into my definition. Big Print time for my bub here.

My definition:
When you talk about the Republican Party, you should be talking about the people who don't want big government influence, who want to limit our foreign exposure, are slow to transform social tendencies into law, and who seek to balance the old views with the new views.

Now if you didn't fall into that "narrow-minded" definition what would you be... lets see:

"When you talk about the Empire Party, you should be talking about the people who like big intrusive government. Who want to expand our foreign empire and exposure. Are quick to make knee-jerk laws and huge bureaucracies to remedy some sinister social threat. Those who seek to forge ahead blindly making it up as they go, not learning from the past"


Looking at the most powerful arm of the GOP which one do they fall under?

Which one do you fall closest to?

That's the point I made and am trying to get you to see.

As for your concerns:
"Do all us people who are not of the constrictive mentality like yours a favor ...and shut the fuck up."

Well since your preferred tactic is to consistently make shit up, I guess that applies to you and you alone.

Myself on the other hand can see clearly that at no point did I address the actual conservatives as such, I addressed the GOP. They are separate, you said so yourself, but in your mind they are only separate when you intend them to be and not when I intend them to be.

"You're a fuckin piece of work.
You want answers based on subjectivity like "practical".
I'll tell you what, you disingenuous sack..."

Translation: I have no clue how to answer that question, so I am going to attack you yet again just because I can.

"This question is based on what you or I think is a Conservative.
I am not trying to split hairs and be an asshole but you're not leaving too much choice here bub.
Again...once you realize that Conservatives are not the die cast morons you're lead to believe they are you wouldn't be asking such stupid questions.
If you cant see the difference and what separates the two...thats why you're asking for it."

Stupid questions... like where are the conservative leaders?

In your mind, I have been calling out the conservatives... I have been calling out the GOP. People like Ron and Rand Paul, Scott Walker, Gary Johnson, and surprisingly even someone like Dennis Kucinich are ACTUAL conservatives. ACTUALLY tried or trying to reduce the footprint of the government.

We need more Fiscal, Social, and "scope of government" type conservatives. Ones who won't Endorse the patriot act, create the TSA, Homeland Security, Wars, and prop up foreign dictators and regimes. Which are things that no local republicans, however conservative they may be... can override.

If you disagree with that, then you and McJive can just start worshiping Hilary Clinton now.

Jack Camwell said...

Micky,

I said this:

"The whole argument is even more ridiculous considering you actually said the same fucking thing he said--that there aren't enough true conservatives in congress."

You said this in response:

"Whats "in Congress" does nor represent the Conservative majority in this country."

We are essentially saying THE SAME GOD DAMN THING. How can you not see that?!

"But actually you're trapped in some idealistic bullshit that its wrong to chose the lesser of two evils."

You've obviously never read anything I've written about Machiavelli.

Micky said...

"However, like you and I agree the Republican Party is not conservative. "

Bullshit, cut the crap.

Theres a definition.
I believe there's more Conservatism in the party than your limited mind can conceive.
Once you can get it thru your thick skull that theres more Conservatism out there than you give credit we can them have an honest realistic concersation.

". When is the last time a president won an election who WASN'T on the republican or democrat ticket. "

Factually, the right has won more back to back presidencies than the left, and more in the last 50 years.
Right now, amongst the bullshit were seeing (it may seem simplistic in nature) it would only be prudent and pragmatic to put an opposing ideology in power.

"Machiavelli."


Yes, a famous rapper shot to death (Tupac) an inarticulate idiot, who thought he knew politics... took that title.


You interpretations or mentioning of Machiavelli mean little.

"We are essentially saying THE SAME GOD DAMN THING. How can you not see that?!"

For the last fucking time...NO WE ARE NOT"

You, yourself, are bent on this belief that there are only a few Conservatives that can help us and they're the 5-6 you speak of in only Congress and the Fed.
I believe there's enough Conservatism within the country between regional and municipalities and a silent majority to not be as worried as you are.

Will you repeat the same faith I just put forth ?

m said...

""Whats "in Congress" does not represent the Conservative majority in this country."

Tell that to AH

Micky said...

Hey, look guys...
I'm not out to create any kind of enemy here. Nor am I anymore indifferent or unaware to the elected officials (rinos etc)we are faced with than the two of you, or many others for that matter.
But I believe its prudent for us to realize, or accept, the concept and belief I have that theres more Conservative forces at work than you both believe, or think.
I'll presume Jack and AH are "independents" , registered or not means little to me as I believe you're both outside the mainstream thought process dictated to us by the so called "NEWS".
I'm also very independent.
Am a Christian, but have no stomach for the organized church.
Am A fiscal Conservative who also knows that out forefathers who wrote our Constitution defining the split between Church and State wrote it based upon their Christian convictions that ask for government and church not be intermingled.
Our founding doctrine, our Constitution, was written by God fearing men who made sure that religious "Christian" values did play a part in out governance without the church ever being able to legislate.
Yeah, its not that complicated.
Those who love God wrote our most precious document.
They also had morality, driven to them by their beliefs, that theology should not dictate this country s governance.
They clearly new that junctioning church and state in legislation would only put them back to what we and they sought to escape.
But, theres no escaping the fact that our Constitution is based on the Ten Commandments.
So...when I hear that folks think the right is trying to control us by their morality I can only rather opt for that morality than a leftist semi communist reign that wants to dictate "every" aspect of our lives" that even reaches into dictating every point of our lives including whatever they deem to be moral.

I'll take the right, its rinos, it various brands of Conservatism, quasi/conservatives libertarians...whatever... over the leftists shit weve seen for fifty+ years any fucking time.

Jack Camwell said...

I think I understand the disconnect.

I think you intepreted AHB and myself claiming that there are only a few true conservatives in America. I don't believe that.

I agree with you that there are plenty of "true" conservatives in America. Whether or not it's a silent majority, I can't say. True conservative, in my mind, is someone who truly believes in minimal government intrusion into our personal lives.

When AHB says that there are only a few true conservatives in Congress, that's exactly what he means: there are only a few true conservatives IN CONGRESS. He was not trying to say that the only conservatives in AMERICA are like 5 or 6 bros in the GOP.

You said that the current GOP does NOT represent conservative America. That is PRECISELY what AHB and I have been saying literally this entire time. Say what you want about what we've said, but that's what we've meant this whole time--I PROMISE.

Micky said...

"When AHB says that there are only a few true conservatives in Congress, that's exactly what he means: there are only a few true conservatives IN CONGRESS. He was not trying to say that the only conservatives in AMERICA are like 5 or 6 bros in the GOP."

Yeah, but he never once in the last few days eluded to or recognized that fact.

I believe your promise, but that wont change the fact that AH cannot see Conservatism outside his blocked head.
The whole context of his/hers original post was that the true right/Conservatives is underrepresented.
And he/her bases that conclusion on the few asshats in the House.

One more time.
It does not matter (imo) how we are represented by those AH believe are Conservative.
It just doesn't fucking matter !
We are, in the end, represented by us, the people, and unfortunately or fortunately by the same idiots that put these schmucks into office.
The country is by far, according to most polls, "right of center".
So, AH can bitch all he/her wants about not enough righties on the hill...but...it does...not...matter.

Anyway, I do appreciate you coming to ground and understanding the disconnect.
Maybe I should be better with my words.
After all, I'm not fucking Hemingway.
But his daughter is no doubt worth a stab.

AHB said...

Micky,

I "alluded" to this literally 9 times (I just counted) and not one of those 9 times was understood apparently.

I cannot see conservatism outside my "blocked head"... hmm lets see.

All I claimed was that the GOP does not have conservative leaders and ideals. If we did, we would not see 7 large expenses we couldn't afford... in 14 years.

I never said anything about Billy-Bob III down at the church-of-what's-happening-now who likes white women, bibles, and the occasional romp through the countryside shooting a Grenade Launcher at small animals from a barstool affixed the roof of the General Lee.

THAT would be a narrow-minded view of a conservative. Just for clarification.

I said the GOP, specifically it's leadership and federal arm, which automatically excludes approximately 2500 of the 355,000,000 people in this country.

So let me get this straight, it doesn't matter who represents us as long as the people themselves are a particular mindset?

So using that logic, Obama is just as good as Abraham Lincoln, and Nancy Pelosi is just as good as Ron Paul... for the sake of conservatives and conservatism.

Spin baby spin.

Micky said...

"So let me get this straight, it doesn't matter who represents us as long as the people themselves are a particular mindset?"


Seriously, not to pollute this thread anymore than possible but just how far up your fucking ass did you have to reach for that line of utter bullshit that has no relevance to anything I've stated?
I've clearly laid lines defining my Conservatism.
Its only obvious that you're the worst and most reprehensible representative of what cons are and can be,


AH...You're a fucking idiot

Micky said...

"All I claimed was that the GOP does not have conservative leaders and ideals.

That makes you stoooopid.


Yes they do have conservative leaders.
But you'd have to know Conservatism first.

You have a very narrow vision of Conservatism.

GOT IT ?

AHB said...

You-

"One more time.
It does not matter (imo) how we are represented by those AH believe are Conservative.
It just doesn't fucking matter !
We are, in the end, represented by us, the people, and unfortunately or fortunately by the same idiots that put these schmucks into office.
The country is by far, according to most polls, "right of center".
So, AH can bitch all he/her wants about not enough righties on the hill...but...it does...not...matter."


If you are allowed to extrapolate wild assumptions about what I have said, I am not allowed to extrapolate nearly precisely what you have said?

AHB said...

"You have a very narrow vision of Conservatism.

GOT IT ?"

You can throw all the ad hominem you want after me, you said we should separate the GOP from Conservatism.

If the GOP leadership is conservative... you have a mindset that conservatives should waste money, create and endorse massive bureaucracies, and basically spin their wheels against inferior mentalities such as the entitlement system.

Got it?

Micky said...

"All I claimed was that the GOP does not have conservative leaders and ideals"

Thats right AH.
I could be a liberal, you could be liberal(or think so) and say "the DNC does not have Democratic/Liberal leaders and ideals".

See how far that stupid shit gets you.

Right now theres some serious and very promising arguing going on within the right.."THE RIGHT AS A WHOLE".
Not the GOP, not The Tea Party, but "within the right" and are trying to define the party according to a bunch of social bullshit were hostage to which is a huge fcking mistake.
The reps of Conservatism are not the GOP or The Tea Party but instead that silent majority thats come out of the woodwork before when Conservative candidates were thought to be that last one who could win.
DO NOT... !(this is friendly advice) think for a second that our Conservative values are represented by only the few you think are out or in there.

"you said we should separate the GOP from Conservatism."

Yup... yer just beginnin to gits it pardner.

Conservatism is snot the GOP, The Tea Party or some fucking label or brand.

Its people....FUCKING PEOPLE!
Who will rise to face the collective liberal/progressive shit we see tearing down everything around us.
I DO NOT DISAGREE WITH YOU FOR A SECOND THAT THE GOP IS FULL OF FULL OF SHIT ASSHOLES WHO CLAIM TO REPRESENT CONSERVATISM BUT DO NOT REPRESENT CONSERVATISM. Lets get that one under the rug.
What I'd like you to accept or understand is that "WERE GOING TO BE OKAY"..because there are Conservative forces outside the realm you imagine that will in 2016 put this shit down.
But, in all fairness, the abject failures of this presidency could put Romney into office. (Even me)
Which, would be sad in one way...but a huge fucking relief in another way. That lesser of evils would actually be a fucking space to breath and have some hope, be able to stop and count my money faster than it disappears.
Having 6 wives might be worth going to church every Sunday.
I jest.


The country will swing right in 2016 and very predictably at midterms,its cyclic, its the way it goes.
What we need to do from here on in is hold those elected/promised morons for future office or ordained to be in office for the next term(s)accountable for the Conservative principles they said they'd uphold.
We saw a pretty good example of ordinary Conservative Americans replacing the House with those expected to back those principles.
True, some of them turned out to be rinos but still...

there's a very good example of Conservatism going on in this country waiting for 2016 and they're far beyond our generic "Reagan" Conservative or the guys on the hill you think matter.

relax

Jack Camwell said...

Micky,

The point is that the people controlling the direction of the GOP are not true conservatives.

You mentioned something about picking the lesser of two evils earlier. I mentioned Machiavelli, because I'm not an idealist, and I understand the notion of picking the lesser of two evils.

But the problem with that is this: how much longer do we just keep picking the lesser of two evils? THAT is the real problem.

Truthfully, the only difference between the Republicans and the Democrats is that the Democrats will at least give you some free shit before they fuck you in the ass.

Maybe you think we're wrong on that one. That's totally fine, just don't start calling people names simply because they disagree with you. It's not as if our opinions are any less informed than yours. Just because we have arrived at different conclusions doesn't mean we're somehow intellectually inferior to you.

If you disagree with someone, then say that you disagree and explain why. Don't descend into some childish tirade of ad hominem name-calling.

In reading your responses, it seems that the only difference between us is that AHB and I do not share your optimism about the GOP political landscape changing any time soon.

AHB said...

"I could be a liberal, you could be liberal(or think so) and say "the DNC does not have Democratic/Liberal leaders and ideals".

See how far that stupid shit gets you."

Right, but the difference is in the case of the GOP not being conservative, it's 100% true.

What it boils down to is this: Traditional Conservatives are of the mindset that man is flawed, and that everything is a trade-off; policies, laws, government spending, economic choices, everything.

Liberals, of which we can safely say the majority of are progressive these days, are of the mindset that there is nothing wrong with people in general, there is something wrong with the policies. Perfect systems lead to near perfect results, etc.

In other words, government is an actual solution to a problem, and rarely causes more problems.

So in that vein, the DNC lines up perfectly with that they stand for, which is more centralized power and top down solutions, essentially the goal of the DNC is to strip the individual states of their autonomy, and replace it with some blanket statement or some 10,000+ page document on health insurance.

Even with a republican president they furthered their agenda of more government control with all the craptastic bloated security and control programs costing us money we don't have, and meanwhile the GOP was spearheading the efforts for more bureaucracy!

The Empire party reigns supreme (GOP and DNC combined.)